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		<title>By: Tan Yew Wei</title>
		<link>http://www.ryanzielonka.com/trainingnutrition/form-factor-nutrition-part-two/comment-page-1#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Yew Wei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long post, but definitely worth the read. I&#039;m a proponent of the Intermittent Fasting methodology and have been following the leangains style IF for about 10 months now. 

However, I&#039;m more interested in the CR benefits of IFing, in particular with older individuals (say above 50 years). Claims range from anywhere improved cardiovascular health to better natural anti-oxidant capacity, and I frankly don&#039;t buy it. 

Hence, do you have any links to research papers to this field. I&#039;m really looking into studying this area a little more and appreciate any sort of information. Thanks, and keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long post, but definitely worth the read. I&#8217;m a proponent of the Intermittent Fasting methodology and have been following the leangains style IF for about 10 months now. </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m more interested in the CR benefits of IFing, in particular with older individuals (say above 50 years). Claims range from anywhere improved cardiovascular health to better natural anti-oxidant capacity, and I frankly don&#8217;t buy it. </p>
<p>Hence, do you have any links to research papers to this field. I&#8217;m really looking into studying this area a little more and appreciate any sort of information. Thanks, and keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Zielonka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Zielonka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments guys. I will respond to them individually. Alas, my oral defense is next week Monday and that has to take priority over Internet commentary. Expect something from me the middle of next week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments guys. I will respond to them individually. Alas, my oral defense is next week Monday and that has to take priority over Internet commentary. Expect something from me the middle of next week!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Sturm Konstantinov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Sturm Konstantinov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ryan!
I really like your blog and I read it with pleasure. I am also a fellow rock musician (bass, keys, guitars) so it was really nice to find somebody with similiar interests. The problem is that I totally disagree with your last post and if you allow me I will share my thoughts with you and your readers.

&quot;Above this 800 or so calorie threshold hunger signals return and the expected daily ebb and flow of hunger resumes.&quot;

Just a small remark here - your body does not have a way to count the exact number of calories you take, so obviously there isn&#039;t a &quot;treshold&quot;. It&#039;s more like a very strange U curve where in certain caloric ranges people don&#039;t get very hungry. And by the way this depends totally on the macro distribution of the calories. Think about 800 calories of refined carbs and 800 calories of protein/fiber/fat mix. So in my opinion your conclusion here is not very upright.

&quot;Researchers compared a control group fed three meals per day to a group fed one meal. The former group experienced less hunger throughout the day, and in an ad libidum test meal following the fasting phase, the one meal group consumed on average 26.5% more than the three meal-a-day group.&quot;

A pro-IF guy would actually tell you that this study proves that IF reduces ad libitum food intake by 57.83% because they ate only 26.5% more on their only expected meal of the day while the other group has two more meals to eat during the day and in the end they will actually take almost two times more calories.

&quot;There exists a hierarchy of hunger response, fasting serving as the maximal acute deficit and thereby eliciting the most hunger.&quot;

Well there is no way anybody can say what elicites &quot;the most hunger&quot; because there are so many mechanisms controling the hunger response and they cannot be seperated and studied. And if they could, they response to them would be quite subjective. This actually corresponds with my last quote and the fact that the studied IF group experienced more hunger throughout the day. Obviosly if you are used to eating 3 or 5 times a day and you reduce them to 1 you are going to be hungrier. That is because on of the main mechanisms in hunger response is triggered by your eating habits. If you want to prove that generally eating once a day makes you hungrier you have to make at least two more comparisons - a group that&#039;s used to eating once a day vs. 3 or 5 meals a day group. And a group that&#039;s used to eat once a day vs. a group that&#039;s used to eat once a day and now moves to 3 or 5 a day. I will let you think about what results we might expect from such studies...

&quot;Researchers over the past few decades have created a classification system for human body types, physical generalizations indicative of genetic propensities in body shape.&quot;

Actually somatotypology was invented by and for psychologists with a very different goal. And it is an extremely bad way to start any reasoning because people always do it backwards. I will explain you in a second what I mean.

&quot;In overfeeding studies, ectomorphic somatypes have the tendency to fidget or otherwise unconsciously match an increase in caloric intake with a concurrent increase in caloric expenditure.&quot;

You got it backwards. It&#039;s not that people who fidget are ectomorphic, but it&#039;s that if you fidge you are going to be ectomorphic. Take someone considered ectomorphic and make him overeat everyday for some time. Make him stop moving around. (by the some time ago BBC did this experiment for a film and the result was the expected one) Voila he&#039;s not an ectomorph anymore. Or take a mesomorph and put him in a concentration camp (scarce food and a ton of stress from the black dressed nazis who do&#039;t love you) and he won&#039;t be a mesomorph anymore. And if you think that those examples are poor, let me ask you have you ever seen somebody who was extremely athletic in his young years but then he stopped with his activities, stress took over him and he became obese and weak (skinny-fat).

I can continue quoting you but I am going to start repeating myself. Excuse me for the extremely long comment and my english (it&#039;s not my native language). Let me know what you think!

Greetings from Bulgaria.

and by the way if you think that my comment is too long for your blog, just delete it and let me know your opinion about it on my mail - SturmBG@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ryan!<br />
I really like your blog and I read it with pleasure. I am also a fellow rock musician (bass, keys, guitars) so it was really nice to find somebody with similiar interests. The problem is that I totally disagree with your last post and if you allow me I will share my thoughts with you and your readers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Above this 800 or so calorie threshold hunger signals return and the expected daily ebb and flow of hunger resumes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a small remark here &#8211; your body does not have a way to count the exact number of calories you take, so obviously there isn&#8217;t a &#8220;treshold&#8221;. It&#8217;s more like a very strange U curve where in certain caloric ranges people don&#8217;t get very hungry. And by the way this depends totally on the macro distribution of the calories. Think about 800 calories of refined carbs and 800 calories of protein/fiber/fat mix. So in my opinion your conclusion here is not very upright.</p>
<p>&#8220;Researchers compared a control group fed three meals per day to a group fed one meal. The former group experienced less hunger throughout the day, and in an ad libidum test meal following the fasting phase, the one meal group consumed on average 26.5% more than the three meal-a-day group.&#8221;</p>
<p>A pro-IF guy would actually tell you that this study proves that IF reduces ad libitum food intake by 57.83% because they ate only 26.5% more on their only expected meal of the day while the other group has two more meals to eat during the day and in the end they will actually take almost two times more calories.</p>
<p>&#8220;There exists a hierarchy of hunger response, fasting serving as the maximal acute deficit and thereby eliciting the most hunger.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well there is no way anybody can say what elicites &#8220;the most hunger&#8221; because there are so many mechanisms controling the hunger response and they cannot be seperated and studied. And if they could, they response to them would be quite subjective. This actually corresponds with my last quote and the fact that the studied IF group experienced more hunger throughout the day. Obviosly if you are used to eating 3 or 5 times a day and you reduce them to 1 you are going to be hungrier. That is because on of the main mechanisms in hunger response is triggered by your eating habits. If you want to prove that generally eating once a day makes you hungrier you have to make at least two more comparisons &#8211; a group that&#8217;s used to eating once a day vs. 3 or 5 meals a day group. And a group that&#8217;s used to eat once a day vs. a group that&#8217;s used to eat once a day and now moves to 3 or 5 a day. I will let you think about what results we might expect from such studies&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Researchers over the past few decades have created a classification system for human body types, physical generalizations indicative of genetic propensities in body shape.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually somatotypology was invented by and for psychologists with a very different goal. And it is an extremely bad way to start any reasoning because people always do it backwards. I will explain you in a second what I mean.</p>
<p>&#8220;In overfeeding studies, ectomorphic somatypes have the tendency to fidget or otherwise unconsciously match an increase in caloric intake with a concurrent increase in caloric expenditure.&#8221;</p>
<p>You got it backwards. It&#8217;s not that people who fidget are ectomorphic, but it&#8217;s that if you fidge you are going to be ectomorphic. Take someone considered ectomorphic and make him overeat everyday for some time. Make him stop moving around. (by the some time ago BBC did this experiment for a film and the result was the expected one) Voila he&#8217;s not an ectomorph anymore. Or take a mesomorph and put him in a concentration camp (scarce food and a ton of stress from the black dressed nazis who do&#8217;t love you) and he won&#8217;t be a mesomorph anymore. And if you think that those examples are poor, let me ask you have you ever seen somebody who was extremely athletic in his young years but then he stopped with his activities, stress took over him and he became obese and weak (skinny-fat).</p>
<p>I can continue quoting you but I am going to start repeating myself. Excuse me for the extremely long comment and my english (it&#8217;s not my native language). Let me know what you think!</p>
<p>Greetings from Bulgaria.</p>
<p>and by the way if you think that my comment is too long for your blog, just delete it and let me know your opinion about it on my mail &#8211; <a href="mailto:SturmBG@gmail.com">SturmBG@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to check out Leigh Peele&#039;s Body By Eats. It covers a lot of what you are going over about breaking the dogma of clean eating and how it isn&#039;t the answer to your problems. You&#039;re angle of enjoyment is interesting but there is tons of research leading to why this is bad too and the same with if&#039;ing. You if&#039;ing folks are getting to be as bad as the Paleo and Low Carb crowd. It doesn&#039;t work for all people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to check out Leigh Peele&#8217;s Body By Eats. It covers a lot of what you are going over about breaking the dogma of clean eating and how it isn&#8217;t the answer to your problems. You&#8217;re angle of enjoyment is interesting but there is tons of research leading to why this is bad too and the same with if&#8217;ing. You if&#8217;ing folks are getting to be as bad as the Paleo and Low Carb crowd. It doesn&#8217;t work for all people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved reading this post. I wish there was even more to read, but of course as of now there isn&#039;t a ton more that we know. Hopefully research will give us new data to write about soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved reading this post. I wish there was even more to read, but of course as of now there isn&#8217;t a ton more that we know. Hopefully research will give us new data to write about soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting. I&#039;m keen to say the similarities and differences between Form Factor Nutrition and Lean Gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. I&#8217;m keen to say the similarities and differences between Form Factor Nutrition and Lean Gains.</p>
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